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kingstoken) wrote2020-11-20 10:09 am
kingstoken) wrote2020-11-20 10:09 am
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Supernartural Finale
I'm torn about this one, I think it was beautifully done, but at the same time this not the ending I wanted.
I really just wanted them all to be happy and together. The scenes of Sam being alone in the bunker looking at all the names on the table hurt so much. This is such a sad ending, especially for Sam, like he is forced to live, with his entire family being dead. I was a little afraid that he might commit suicide when he was in Dean's room, and I think the only reason he didn't was because of, one the dog, and two the fact that someone called and needed help. Like, I know we are supposed to be happy for Sam, because he got to live his normal life, have a wife and a kid, and grow old, but it just didn't feel right.
Dean's death scene made me cry, and I was determined I wasn't going to do that, I wasn't crying so much for Dean, because he seemed accepting of his end, I was more upset for Sam, who was losing so much.
I will say I am very glad they addressed the heaven situation, and they implied that Cas is alive and in Heaven somewhere, although I would have liked to see him. It was also nice to know Bobby wasn't spending eternity in heaven's lock-up.
Overall I think this one is going to have to sit with me for awhile, and I may feel better about it after I've had some time to reflect, or I may just reject it outright, we'll see.
I really just wanted them all to be happy and together. The scenes of Sam being alone in the bunker looking at all the names on the table hurt so much. This is such a sad ending, especially for Sam, like he is forced to live, with his entire family being dead. I was a little afraid that he might commit suicide when he was in Dean's room, and I think the only reason he didn't was because of, one the dog, and two the fact that someone called and needed help. Like, I know we are supposed to be happy for Sam, because he got to live his normal life, have a wife and a kid, and grow old, but it just didn't feel right.
Dean's death scene made me cry, and I was determined I wasn't going to do that, I wasn't crying so much for Dean, because he seemed accepting of his end, I was more upset for Sam, who was losing so much.
I will say I am very glad they addressed the heaven situation, and they implied that Cas is alive and in Heaven somewhere, although I would have liked to see him. It was also nice to know Bobby wasn't spending eternity in heaven's lock-up.
Overall I think this one is going to have to sit with me for awhile, and I may feel better about it after I've had some time to reflect, or I may just reject it outright, we'll see.
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But...why must Sam always be punished for wanting normal?
Them not explicitly saying he married Eileen is wonderful.
But you're right. It was a weird ending. I can see why Jensen hated it at first.
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I kind of love the idea that Cas is Jack's man on the ground, helping to reshape heaven, and maybe he's working on changing other things too. I would love it if him and Rowena were working together.
They left the Eileen thing open to interpretation, in a scene where Sam is playing ball with his kid, you see a dark haired woman in the background, who you assume is Sam's wife, she blurred and far away, we don't see her clearly, so you could assume this Eileen if you wish, or it could be some other random dark woman that Sam met after Dean died.
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I love that they did that! That the perfect way to handle the situation.
Carry On
I also have a headcanon that the world changed without Chuck writing it. (Dean dying on a run-of-the-mill monster hunt and mostly by accident—I don't think the guy he was fighting was deliberately aiming at the rebar—is a perfect non-Chuck death.) As a result of God not having a grudge against him, while Sam was still living in a world with vengeful spirits and monsters… they would not have been going after him constantly like before, no more unfair Chuck-feuled plot twists. So I want to believe his life was much easier after that point.
I just watched the episode for the second time so I could get screengrabs. (Actually watched the finale the first time as it aired, which I never do but I couldn't wait this time.) It was weird how much shorter it seemed on second viewing and also how much more perfect. On first viewing, I was just bouncing with excitement and every moment that wasn't giving me what I wanted was, "Argh! Why are they wasting time with blah-blah-blah?!" On the second viewing, knowing what to expect, I wasn't fighting the plot and instead it was just… "Oh, yeah, of course."
Also, on first viewing, I didn't fully catch what Bobby said. So I was, "Wait? What? What about Castiel?" and I ended still unclear on whether he was still trapped in The Empty or not. (And that's not a trivial point.) Second viewing, it's clear that Jack rescued Castiel. (Dean comments on all that Jack has done in heaven and Bobby replies: "Well, Cass helped." Since Jack didn't get his powers until after Castiel was pulled into The Empty, then Castiel could only help redesign heaven after being rescued.) But… Dean still barely reacts. Just a slight smile.
We can write all the fanfic we want about a Dean/Castiel reunion, but… I would have liked to have seen it.
On the other hand (I'm allowed to have contradictory opinions), I do like how the series felt bookended. I didn't even notice until someone else pointed it out, that in the final heaven scene, Sam and Dean are wearing their first season outfits.
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I do wish we had seen Cas, however I do appreciate that Jack recused him and he wasn't left in The Empty, and now I am also kind of headcanoning Jack pulling out all my favourite angels from The Empty, Michael, Balthazar, Anna, Hannah, they are all out and helping to make Heaven great again, lol.
I will say as a Sam lover this episode hit hard, at least for Dean you felt like he went out how he would have wanted, even if I didn't want him to die, and he got to enjoy heaven secure in the knowledge that he would see his brother someday soon, but poor Sam had to live and grieve over is lost family for decades afterwards.
I don't know, I didn't really love it, but I didn't completely hate it either, I think I'm just a little disappointed. All I wanted was for these three guys, Dean, Sam and Cas, to be together and happy in the end, and we didn't get it.
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Absolutely.
Grief isn't constant though. He was definitely grieving in the car scene, but I don't think it was meant to imply he was constantly miserable. And though as viewers we have no history with his son, the glimpses we had were of a loving relationship. And Sam has the absolute knowledge (not just the hope) that the afterlife is real and he will one day be reunited with everyone he lost.
I stubbornly headcanon that we did. If they are all in heaven, there's an eternity of happiness for them together. We just didn't get to see the big reunion with Castiel on screen (which I'll admit to being disappointed about).
Re: Carry On
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It wasn't perfect but it was really well done, Jensen and Jared were amazing in the episode. Which makes it hard to see others on twitter/tumblr doing their best to tear them down, attack the episode and doing their best to get it to get the lowest rating of all the episodes. It is heartbreaking to see certain parts of the fandom turn and be so horrible to J2, the writers and the rest of the cast because they didn't get the reunion they wanted. Jim Beaver was bullied off of twitter.
They did their best but with the virus and restrictions, they could only do so much and bring back only so many actors. I am glad that it ended centred around Sam and Dean that is how it started and that is how it should have ended. Would I have loved to have seen Dean and Sam reunited with John and Mary again? Yes but that is what fanfics are for. I would have also loved to have seen Ash, Jo, Rufus, Pamela and Ellen back, Sam and Dean walking into the roadhouse and being greeted by all those they have loved and lost but again that is what fanfiction is for.
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I did hear about the twitter bullying and the awful fan behaviour, which is such a shame, like you can dislike/criticize something without being an asshole to the cast and crew. I don't understand where the impulse to berate the creators comes from, like I really disliked the Game of Thrones final season (along with many others), but the only thing I did was discuss it with other fans on Dreamwidth or over on Tumblr and Reddit, we complained to each other, got our emotions out, and then moved on the best we could.
P.S. Your icon is very pretty.
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People are going to have a difference of opinions that is just human nature and that is fine. I love discussing things with people whose opinions are different from mine, to see it from their side. But hating and bashing the cast and crew is just crossing a line. I feel so bad for J2 they put so much into Supernatural and to see some doing everything in their power to tear it down is just heartbreaking.
Thank you I got the icon from tumblr aborddelimpala made it. I fell in love with it the moment it appeared on my dashboard, the hardest issue was choosing which background colour to pick.